Comments on: Are tech A-Listers being gamed? http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/ aka Steve Hodson - a cranky old fart wandering the internet causing mayhem as he goes Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:30:40 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Steven Hodson http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27496 Steven Hodson Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:14:47 +0000 http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27496 Michael, I would hope you would drop by for more that just one thread :) Michael,

I would hope you would drop by for more that just one thread :)

]]> By: michael arrington http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27495 michael arrington Mon, 22 Oct 2007 07:03:57 +0000 http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27495 Robert - Bobby is a fake name, troll bait. But you raise an interesting point on embargoes breaking. When it happens, I don't write about the story. The only reason for that is that the same guys break embargoes every single time, and it's ridiculous that they continue to be trusted. Funny enough, it isn't the blogs doing this, its the big guys. CNET and USAToday for some reason keep accidentally breaking embargoes. WSJ did it once. NYT never. anywho, I'm done here. good thread. Robert - Bobby is a fake name, troll bait. But you raise an interesting point on embargoes breaking. When it happens, I don’t write about the story. The only reason for that is that the same guys break embargoes every single time, and it’s ridiculous that they continue to be trusted. Funny enough, it isn’t the blogs doing this, its the big guys. CNET and USAToday for some reason keep accidentally breaking embargoes. WSJ did it once. NYT never.

anywho, I’m done here. good thread.

]]> By: Robert Scoble http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27478 Robert Scoble Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:42:59 +0000 http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27478 Bobby: I know for a fact that Michael doesn't require first dibs. He just requires being in the first group. You can have 100 people all briefed at the same time. As long as Michael goes out at the same time, he'll be happy. Now, the problem with giving an exclusive to 100 people is that someone will leak. Human nature. And if a leak happens before Michael gets to get his story out, well, then, you'll lose the post on TechMeme (unless it's really important, like a developer platform for Facebook or something like that). That's why PR people will tend to only brief those they trust to not burn their embargoes. Bobby: I know for a fact that Michael doesn’t require first dibs. He just requires being in the first group. You can have 100 people all briefed at the same time. As long as Michael goes out at the same time, he’ll be happy.

Now, the problem with giving an exclusive to 100 people is that someone will leak. Human nature. And if a leak happens before Michael gets to get his story out, well, then, you’ll lose the post on TechMeme (unless it’s really important, like a developer platform for Facebook or something like that).

That’s why PR people will tend to only brief those they trust to not burn their embargoes.

]]> By: Jeremiah Owyang http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27476 Jeremiah Owyang Mon, 22 Oct 2007 02:17:17 +0000 http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27476 All of these reasons and more is exactly why I wrote this post. http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/10/16/bloggers-stop-wasting-techmeme-real-estate/ All of these reasons and more is exactly why I wrote this post.

http://www.web-strategist.com/blog/2007/10/16/bloggers-stop-wasting-techmeme-real-estate/

]]> By: Bobby Andersen http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27434 Bobby Andersen Sun, 21 Oct 2007 19:03:55 +0000 http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27434 Michael - You don't require first dibs? Everyone in the valley knows that to get on your site, you must get first dibs and are almost scared not to. I believe you about not taking paid links, but at least be truthful on your tactics you use on posts. The only time you follow say Mashable or RWW is when Duncan writes about it (and maybe now Eric). From all of the posts lately (scoble, winer, etc.), it seems the TC effect might no longer be what it once was. Michael - You don’t require first dibs? Everyone in the valley knows that to get on your site, you must get first dibs and are almost scared not to. I believe you about not taking paid links, but at least be truthful on your tactics you use on posts. The only time you follow say Mashable or RWW is when Duncan writes about it (and maybe now Eric). From all of the posts lately (scoble, winer, etc.), it seems the TC effect might no longer be what it once was.

]]> By: Steven Hodson http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27420 Steven Hodson Sun, 21 Oct 2007 18:02:39 +0000 http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27420 And it definitely doesn't hurt to have the day to day contacts that you have built up over time either :) And it definitely doesn’t hurt to have the day to day contacts that you have built up over time either :)

]]> By: Steven Hodson http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27419 Steven Hodson Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:52:47 +0000 http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27419 Michael, I agree totally that the blogosphere is being gamed by the examples you give. Technorati is a good example of where this has happen. I have written about that before as well as wishing that Technorati would give us the users a method by which to remove that kind of linkage. I know here I intentionally remove any pingbacks/trackbacks that link back to the type of blogs/splogs you mention. I have even done so if I feel that the linked blog is geared more to advertising than anything else - especially if it is just a screen scraping type reposter. I do think that the problem becomes more prevelant the more popular a blog becomes and that at some point the time involved in policing your own comment stream for this type of thing is next to impossible. I know that I will continue to do so as long as I can. I consider it my part in trying not to add to this type of misuse. Michael,

I agree totally that the blogosphere is being gamed by the examples you give. Technorati is a good example of where this has happen. I have written about that before as well as wishing that Technorati would give us the users a method by which to remove that kind of linkage.

I know here I intentionally remove any pingbacks/trackbacks that link back to the type of blogs/splogs you mention. I have even done so if I feel that the linked blog is geared more to advertising than anything else - especially if it is just a screen scraping type reposter.

I do think that the problem becomes more prevelant the more popular a blog becomes and that at some point the time involved in policing your own comment stream for this type of thing is next to impossible. I know that I will continue to do so as long as I can. I consider it my part in trying not to add to this type of misuse.

]]> By: Steven Hodson http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27417 Steven Hodson Sun, 21 Oct 2007 17:46:31 +0000 http://www.winextra.com/2007/10/20/are-tech-a-listers-being-gamed/#comment-27417 Ross, One of my all time favorite bands. I still remember buying the LP and playing it for the first time. Ross,

One of my all time favorite bands. I still remember buying the LP and playing it for the first time.

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